Herman Ulrich’s Tang Makers Mark’s! H.LU. & George Winchester Madis With Wilsons 2 Cents of Controversy!



Just recently I had read the catalog references of James Julia Auctions House the State of Maine’s post on the past sale of the Herman Ulrich Winchester with the tank makers mark initials H.L.U.


Left side of upper tang, under the wood, is hand engraved “H.L.U” (Herman Leslie Ulrich, 1846-1937). Receiver is beautifully engraved in broad, sweeping, …

George Madis said these are Hermans marks on his rifles! Knowing no documented history existed to say it was true! This is what  Mr. Wilson said! No records proved they where Herman Ulrich’s marks. but come on! Who would want to make fake marks of such. Wilson was correct on the fact of no records were existing to support Mr. Madis of Texas!
Here is the truth with the rifle listed on the James Julia site above in this post!. This shows the left panel & fwd panel shows this cross with a diamond and circle in the center!
We find herman Ulrich’s makers marks, showing the “HU” Cut a clear as can be seen! The right side captures a “UH” but the U is a fat “U” with a sharply cut “H” that coincides with the multiple Roosevelt rifles makers marks of Herman. Where I presented and  I told my readers months ago! HU from left to right with basic English writing with the initial’s Herman Ulrich is standard! The UH from reading left to right being Ulrich Herman is a standard for a guild artist to place the letters in reverse! Because they were mathematically trained with everything being multipul-dimensions in their art!. The person trying to understand what I am saying! 1000 years ago to 5000 years ago, guild artists did this and were trained in the same manner! It only gets easier to understnad the Ulrich’s who are an open book at this time, but they are challenging when it comes to learning their style of engraving individually! They followed the Scottish European Guild controlled, American Banknote Company for their time period! Which was controlled by Foriegn powers who still enslave North America’s deficit to the Fed.
The United States Government shut down the American Banknote Company from engraving US notes adecade or two before the Ulrich’s ever engraved! But the Ulrichs taught the Russians (REAL COLLUSIONATIONS) and even did the King of Jersuelms Winchesters! Which came back to America and were DEVALUED because the history was never told!
Now for you collectors all over the World, the Ulrichs were not really United with the People of the United States! They were United with the foreign “Guilds”….Influence from foreign intrusion that was always in America since the days of the Jacobites and many other foreign powers, including the Church!
The brass image “UH” is found on Roosevelt’s 1876 Winchester that is located in the Rossevelt Museum in Long Island, NY. The location is found on top of the rifle past the hammer. Factually there are “THREE” “UH maker’s marks on that top section, as clear as this one! The silver color “UH makers mark is found on the 44-40 Roosevelt Apach Scout rife on the left panel on the tree trunk, sideway’s!
 Pictured above: The Colt Lightning belonging to General Porfirio Diaz this is the only known signed Herman Leslie Ulrich engraved gun. The images were provied to me from the Canada Military Museum’s Curator. The gun is in the case and I had not requested the signed name. Months ago, I used this image for showing Hermans design on the panel and his paper money he engraved for Argentina, while working for the American Banknote Company.
Just on this panel there are a half dozen of Herman’s unique style of reversing his letter initials. You will see the fat outlined “U” and them the fine line “H” cut to the right of the U.
 These will be more than a dozen marks of such by Herman on this rifle. Knowing its the only “signed” Herman gun other than the three Winchesters that are signed on the tang’s! Now it can be said that George Madis was correct that the “H.LU.” Winchester are by comparison with “HU/UH” makers marks found on these rifles are factually authentic. The larger Diaz image I posted above is a good image. You should be able to find a few marks of such. The best to look for are the fine razor cut marks, there are several “H” cuts on on the scene panel!
Later I will present two different Colt pistols that where believed to be by Herman and one was said to be his by the James Julia Cataloger. He was correct, having found two excellant examples of the UH/HU makers marks. The trick thing with this identification is separating the others persons who worked on the same guns as Herman. Hermans brother John engraved the horse rider and buffalo on this panel presented. Herman did with out any question did the Diaz monogram. Look for the tiny “H” razor cuts on the main of the Buffalo and the horse rider and the grass. Why do we see that? My basic theory is that if this was a commissioned piece to Herman. His brother who helped added his basic “H” marks to his own work. This would have been done by students, adding their teachers marks on a piece they were doing under their engraving master.
Additional images will be requested from Canada with the Diaz rife, I would bet any reader that there is 2 dozen or more Herman “UH” marks all over the gun!
Here is the information on a Colt, sold by James Julies and the cataloger says the pistol is Herman Ulrichs engraved piece!


Quote: “Being a reasonably rare revolver with limited production, it can be speculated that this is one of the very few of this model engraved by Herman Ulrich”! The James Julia Auction House representative who speculated the pistol was engraved by Herman, was correct. Below is one of several makers marks on the pistol. The fine line cut “HU” initials of Herman. If images were better i would have posted others that I did see.




Gustav Young & His Masonic Art? Where Is his Makers Mark, Stamped Named on Any Gun?

In the past I mentioned where is Gustav Young’s Colonial German families information! Where I said its possible that Gustav was a direct descendant  of the Scottish exiled Royal family, married to the Stuarts! Well, I still don’t have the proof, but I’m going to extend the basics and whats recently learned!

No, question do I believe 100% that Gustav Young was a family line to the Scottish Bishops lines, to the direct families of Scotland! This is common sense among the Royal Scam that always has been! Never would it be allowed that a straight out German would be allowed to come into the guild of America of Scottish Control with Masonry, Engraving and the Guild structure that was established by the exiled powers influence in America! Never would I knock the German engravers, who are the direct families with the the Stuarts. Its what i call a Rope A-Dope! Meaning Gustav has to have a link direct to the Scottish Guild to have engraved in America! Adding his maternal German influence with the arts made such a more refined impact on engravings on guns from his time!


Pictured above are Colts that are located at my State Capital, given to the People by Colt! acknowledged by Scholars as being Gustav Young Colt’s in this images! Here were see an amazing 47 Master masons symbolism with the horses front legs crossed and the rare hind legs showing the 7, but to be unmistaken the artist did it like a 77 with both legs. The inner leg closest to the 4 is the number 7.

But How do you know if this is true? Even though we have the Roosevelt 44-40 Winchester showing two horses doing this 47 symbol and the exhibition by Herman Ulrich on a Colt pistol! What makes it authentic to their association saying this is factual Gustav Young’s Colt? This I say because there is no colt Stamp showing a Gustave Young Makers Mark or Punched Stamp Marks factually documented! Wilson the gun book scholar gives dots on the hammers as a trade mark, we get the wolf on the hammer trade mark, but I say like Granny Hawkins, Doodley Squat!!!!! Just from this rough black and white image we see the clear as could be 47 thats established that only Young and the Ulrichs did this that we know of to date on documented guns, more so for the Ulrichs than Young! But, the Dog on that Colt Panel is a representation with Masonry to the Dog Star! We can confirm this from the basic letter “G” just below the dogs hind leg! Authenticating a Masonic series of symbols that are unmistakeable. So engraver scholar’s have no say in dispute! Not to say if I HELD THAT ACTUAL GUN, I CAN IN MINUTES! Show scholars vast Masonic esoteric symbolism! Remember, this was left to preserve the integrity of Moral Christian Free Masonry, or these many relics would not have been left to the public. Translation, of a simple term is that many engraved guns are documents!

Young most likely placed this makers mark letter “G” for his first name. The image is to rough to look for any initial Y in the art there. The basic G first represents Geometry with Masonry and or God, along with it being his Mark! To my readers who follow, Im going to put up cash to have a German Geni scholar find Young’s Genealogy history!

THE BIG PICTURE IS THE LAST POST on SAM’S 79 WINCHESTER YELLOW BOY! NO MAKERS MARKS OF YOUNG EXIST! Where this yellow boy is a Commissioned rifle that is Young’s, explain the punch letter “Y”! Adding to the fact that the work is by the Ulrich’s brothers Conrad and John! Note the X to the right of the punch? Often on dozens of Ulrich Winchesters I see the X as an X marks the spot to indicate an important meaning to symbolism they are pointing out!


There is your Young ‘Y’ punch and the actual serial number of Sam’s rifle showing the last two numbers of the rifle being 88. Colt’s Lodge is 88 and the custom crest butt plate has different serial numbers ending in the Winchester engravers lodge 79.


Gustavo Young Sets Y punch mark on the earliest rendition of the Winchester Firearms Smoke Plate “Deer Jumping over Fallen Timbers” engraved design origins.

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GUN ENGRAVING RESEARCHERS GARY GIANOTTI & Dave Fegley of Relics and Rifles LLC Dive into Forensic Science to Prove this rifle was one of the Lost Gustav Young Winchesters rifles he engraved with the Ulrich apprentices. Where the design of the deer Jumping of the fallen tree smoke plate design originated. Remember, the artists themselves brought the designs to Oliver Winchester, not the other way around from the Guilds standpoint. Masonic Guild Control Lodge 79, The General Wooster New Haven Masonic Lodge,

This spectacular Winchester Model 1866 with factory papers being made in 1882 sheds its engraving secrets after 135 years. This rifle like many engraved and unsigned custom Winchesters are shot down as not valuable. When they really are significant and should demand much higher prices when sold.

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Because of the lack of knowledge in the esoteric and Masonic art, very few or next to no one in the big money engraved gun world is cataloging this information. Information that can tell you who the engraver or engravers were and the type of person this gun was made for. The underside of this rifle displays an exceptionally rare #79 in the center of flared scrolls. Over looked by many because this flared design has been seen in several variations often with the All Seeing Eye with rays of light. Often in drawings, prints and on early flags of the 19th century.

Over looked by ALL WINCHESTER HISTORIANS is the tips of the scroll work. Even here you can see that they have dots and a slash like a worm. Which is exactly what the represents the worm on the cross would be symbolized by Jesus on a cross who said; “But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people.” – Psalm 22:6

My friend Moe Bedard the Gnostic Worrier wrote a great document on the subject that I provided the link below!

The Ancient Symbol of the Serpent is Really a Worm | GnosticWarrior …

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So Many Winchesters have this on the ends of the scroll, which is seen on thousands of relic all the was back into the 18th century and way before! The finest you can see on this site are found on the Lawrence Washington Seal, flawless snake heads on the monogram scrolled ends. Many engraved rifles by the old engravers at Winchester were members of Lodge 79 in New Haven. They did many of these 79 number on many engravings, often very subtle, but can be seen. Annie Oakley’s rifle on this blog shows one. Seeing this massive 79 with the worms or Snakes in good detail and the flare specifically represents the “LIGHT” with Freemasonry. The tic tac toe checkering is located on a few locations of this rifle. Over looked by experts on many Winchester, where the checking is whats called a Masonic Pig Pen Cipher. Inside the boxes they use letters or symbols that write messages. often on the 18th century guns, they often shade those symbols and often wear over time, Look at the rifles side panel and see the big pig pen cipher box and you may see one two symbols if you eye is good to see them.
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What can be said with out knowing who owned the rifle, would be that he was most likley a Mason from the New Haven, CT. the General Wooster Masonic Lodge 79. Being well associated or personally knew the artists who engraved this rifle around and 1882.
Now it gets even better because the rifle on the underside has a rather large letter “Y” punched into the metal. My first thought was that the rifle was engraved by Colts famous engraver Gustav Young. Except very wonder scholars who own several of them said its not his style. This was important to know this because the only other people who could have done this custom work at that time was an Ulrich. Young must have had the commission and the Ulrich’s Conrad and Johns letter initials are found. Adding that there is also a letter “B” engraved on the panel that I also believe was one of the Ulrich’s teachers mark.
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The other panel is your typical style of the known smoke plate design of Winchester with a deer jumping over a log. Would a New haven Lodge of Masons, who were the Winchester engravers allow some person to engrave this gun? No because it is their work in a custom was to not be anything like the factory work. What I know is if people were engraving guns like this, not part of the Masonic Guild of engravers. My guess you would have had a short life when they found you, so my guess is the Guilds had tight control on engravers back then!
Another interesting thing the engravers did was select rifles like this with the serial numbers on the gun and butt plate that have numbers representing the Lodge! Unique her is the Winchester rifle number has 88 in the number and the butt plate 79. 88 is the Lodge associated to Colt with Young and the Ulrich as 79 is with the Ulrich’s. Teddy Roosevelt’s rediscovered Winchester has the number ending with the DC Presidents Lodge number. There is no conspiracy, but this is factual because these great artists were into numbers with geometry and Masonry. More hardcore than most Masons and the engravers for centuries passed down vast ancient knowledge with their art. This has been see with the serial numbers on a dozen rifles that have great esoteric or Masonic art than most engraved rifles by these artist.
This rifle will be on the market this December and its a rifle collectors do not want to pass up!
Joh Ulrichs JU initials with the U letter bent and invited, this is seen on dozens of Winchesters that are signed John Ulrich that are factory pieces! Even Conrad used the bent U with his odd ball C initials!